Talk: Lanate

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Quotes around names of status effects[]

I assume it was one of former staff member's idea to put quote marks around status effects' names, but I think it actually is a bad idea. Why are only status effects in quotes? Why not element names? Or terms pertaining to each game? Wouldn't writing a status name in capital, e.g. Poison and A.ATK Up instead of "Poison" and "A.ATK Up", be simpler and better? Right now putting quote marks around status effects' names makes Aselia a bit incoherent when it comes to "term marking".—Kaimi (talk) ∙ 15:17, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

Makes sense. Lanate (talk) 23:51, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

It's heartening to hear you share agree with me. Do you think you could run a bot through the wiki that could remove quote marks around status effect names if it wasn't done already?

Also, I think it's about time you'd archive some of the older topics on this page, It's at a rather riddiculous length ATM TBH.

—Kaimi (talk) ∙ 15:23, 3 February 2022 (UTC)

I'll do one, but I'm focused on the Rays arte upgrades right now. Lanate (talk) 02:55, 4 February 2022 (UTC)

Is the same said for the Over Limit? Because depending on the game, the cast each have their own lines whenever activating it. For example, Guy shouts "Wanna see how strong I really am?!", and Yuri shouts "I'll blow you away!"

NDS123 (talk) 03:16, 4 February 2022 (UTC)

ToAsteria Character Nav[]

Should we make a separate Character Nav template for Tales of Asteria? Because there are two separate units in that game, the characters themselves, and the "Kizuna Souls" (絆ソウル^?).

NDS123 (talk) 01:18, 15 February 2022 (UTC)

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Rarity 5 items in Rays[]

I'm noticing that Tales of the Rays is recycling units from Tales of Link into Rarity 5 items. For example, Ruca's "Let the Drum Hit" unit is used as his item for Shinkuuhazan, and Cress's "Warrior of Time" unit is used as his item for Kuukan Shouten'i. I want to point out that Lailah's "Dancing Pirate" unit is used as her item for Tornado Fire. However, when I tried testing that theory, the kanjis were completely different (This wiki has "躍" whereas Rays has "踊"). Between the possibility of a typo and the fact that Link is dead, I'm not sure what to do for this.

NDS123 (talk) 18:16, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

Archive Link. Lanate (talk) 03:05, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

Well, there goes that...

NDS123 (talk) 03:24, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

What would be the CORRECT romanizations for these two mystic artes?[]

• 極夜終雷剣
• 星々をつなぐ想い

NDS123 (talk) 20:42, 16 April 2022 (UTC)

I admit, I made a mistake.

NDS123 (talk) 21:06, 16 April 2022 (UTC)

• Kyokuya Shuuraiken
• Hoshiboshi wo Tsunagu Omoi. I can't hear what she's saying though.

Lanate (talk) 19:58, 17 April 2022 (UTC)

Found it!

フューチャリングスター

And this one? (砕牙灰塵剣)

NDS123 (talk) 17:41, 7 May 2022 (UTC)

• Futuring Star
• Saiga Kaijinken

Lanate (talk) 20:20, 8 May 2022 (UTC)

By the way, regarding romanizations and translations, I need to know if directly asking you for the correct romanizations and translations is uncalled for, because it honestly doesn't seem very ideal (Especially if I do it every single time a new arte appears). I know what you said about the hiragana, but after seeing contradiction between what we have and official (like what happened with these two), I can't help but feel stuck knowing I can't do anything, knowing that if I try, it's gonna be my very last edit on this wiki. If it isn't what I should be doing, is there a way for me to regain the trust I lost? Because I want to prove that I can do this on my own. (I know I'm already on strike three at this point)

If I have already used up any possible chances I had at this point, then how about if I just leave for a whole year? I plan to use the time to turn over a new leaf, better myself, and learn from my mistakes. By the time I'm back, I'll start over and work on winning your trust back. Feel free to block me right now in case I decide to come back a bit earlier than I had originally planned.

Is that fair?

NDS123 (talk) 01:31, 15 May 2022 (UTC)

Honestly speaking, you've thus far burned any trust I've had in you and your judgment. I think something like a sabbatical would be beneficial for all parties. Lanate (talk) 03:40, 17 May 2022 (UTC)

Mobile games artworks[]

I noticed that a certain user have been basically, in my opinion, dumping images on the Wiki regarding mobile games, mainly regarding Rays (mirrage arte artworks). Personally I don't think we need all these images as other dedicated Wikis have them. Sure, we share some images between Wikis but at this rate it's just image dumping. I think we should remove those images and update Project:Images regarding treatment of images from mobile games, otherwise we might get drowned in them without even noticing.—Kaimi (talk) ∙ 14:04, 9 July 2022 (UTC)

Number of hitcounts in the Mystic Artes in Tales of Luminaria[]

Concerning the number of hits of some mystic artes, do I have to count every single hit that can appear? Some of them may not land such as Maxime's Brilliant Waltz Shot's spinning portion but do I have to count every single one of them in the maximum amount of hits? Manikin (talk) 18:53, 10 August 2022 (UTC)

Typically speaking, for situations like that, we count how many of those hits can hit a single target. Lanate (talk) 03:28, 11 August 2022 (UTC)

Thanks, I think I'm still going to count all of them, it is possible to land all of them on larger targets such as Primordials and other bosses, especially Gemslay during most of his circle attacks if you are in the middle of it. Manikin (talk) 14:11, 11 August 2022 (UTC)

Adding and replacing some pictures in some Tales of Luminaria pages[]

On YouTube, I found a playlist that demonstrates everything including artes and mystic artes for each character. Here is the link for the playlist:

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLvf9CSMsRP2X2NpIPzRG2xvd4Hf7SGYYG

I was wondering if it is okay to include some screenshots from the videos in order to "complete" some artes and mystic artes, especially the latter since you added preview pics for some pages. I'll be awaiting your decision. Manikin (talk) 16:20, 12 August 2022 (UTC)

I think it would be useful, but I would prefer to receive permission from the uploader who spent the time compiling the videos before we use screenshots from them. Lanate (talk) 16:58, 12 August 2022 (UTC)

I got a hold on lira on the Luminaria Community Discord Server, he said he is ok with us taking screenshots of his gameplay to fill our pages. Manikin (talk) 21:23, 12 August 2022 (UTC)

That's good! Please make sure to link the video that was screenshoted in the description, but that's it! Lanate (talk) 00:09, 13 August 2022 (UTC)

What do you mean by that? Putting the link to the video on the picture's description or on the "arte description and history"? (sorry, still haven't grasped the full gist of it) Manikin (talk) 22:03, 13 August 2022 (UTC)

When you upload a file, it asks you for a file description. That description should contain a link to the video that the screenshot is from. Lanate (talk) 22:29, 13 August 2022 (UTC)

Linking Character Pages to Their Respective Galleries[]

Hello and sorry for the bother, but I'm not sure what to do with my inquiry other than ask an administrator.

Regarding gallery pages, I don't understand why the character pages aren't linked to them? As I'm sure everyone has noticed, I like adding images to the Wiki. lol Personally, I think it is important for a Wiki to be comprehensive in both information and images. But I understand that can make pages appear crowded. So I was wondering if we could start linking the character pages to their gallery pages, that way visitors can find them much easier and I can start filling those out. I just think it's kinda silly that we have to go out of our way just to see their gallery pages; I think we should link them, like both the Final Fantasy and Disney Wikis do. Otherwise, the pages either get ignored because we cannot see them, or they get filled out with no one to even notice.

That's just my request, though. Sorry if this has been addressed anywhere, and I didn't want to go adjusting the established format without permission. Thank you for your time either way.

Also, I've never edited a talk page before, so I'm very sorry if I just messed something up. JointOperation (talk) 04:16, 17 August 2022 (UTC)

We typically link them using their character-specific templates. If you have a better suggestion, please let me know. On the other hand, we also try to be judicious on images and only include images that enhance the article, rather than just being a repository of all images. Lanate (talk) 01:37, 18 August 2022 (UTC)

Personally, I think the gallery pages should be linked directly on the character pages. For example, beneath the images in the gallery section on a character’s page, we can simply add a line of text that says something akin to “Click here to see the full ‘[character] gallery’,” with a link, of course. I just think the current link is too hard to find where it is now. Honestly, I always have to Google the galleries to locate them. lol JointOperation (talk) 06:40, 18 August 2022 (UTC)

That's a good point. Is Sorey an example of what you mean? Lanate (talk) 01:49, 19 August 2022 (UTC)

Yes, exactly! I think we should go with that, if you like it. JointOperation (talk) 02:53, 19 August 2022 (UTC)

Mystic and mirrage arte that are shared[]

I think we should include mystic and mirrage artes that require two characters to be additionally categorized as "Category:Combination Artes" or "Category:Combination Mystic Artes" (although it's not any official name I think; just something I'm proposing to have name correlation with the rest of the Wiki). They are becoming increasingly common, especially in mobile titles, so I think this new category wouldn't being any harm, perhaps aside of slightly more work. What do you think?—Kaimi (talk) ∙ 17:27, 18 October 2022 (UTC)

Something like "Category:Cooperative Artes"? Lanate (talk) 02:42, 19 October 2022 (UTC)

I'm not sure "Category:Cooperative Artes" will be obvious for an average reader and budding Aselia editor. It could be argued that with such a category name all artes in "Category;Combination Artes" could be moved to "C:Coop Artes" since they're both different names for basically same thing: two characters joining in for a joint arte. Perhaps we could further expand descriptions on category names as from what I see "C:Comb. Artes" is only about those joint artes that are result of combining characters' existing artes to create a new arte, whereas in a case like Arise's Boost Strikes and many Original and Crossover Titles having coop artes (mainly in mystic arte department) they are artes that do not result as a combination of two different artes but (overall) combination of characters' (overall) powers. Perhaps moving "C:Comb. Artes" to Xillias' term "Category:Linked Artes" would be most indicative (since I think this term precisely indicates that these artes are the result of combing two different artes to form an arte derived from them).—Kaimi (talk) ∙ 15:48, 19 October 2022 (UTC)

To to be honest, the term "Combination" to me better gets the connotation of two artes becoming one. "Cooperative" better describes artes that require the cooperation of multiple characters to perform. "Linked" to me actually sounds closer to Cooperative, as it sounds like an arte whose users are linked, rather than the concept of an arte that is created from the combination of two. Lanate (talk) 02:41, 20 October 2022 (UTC)

Hmm, I think that'll be fine: leaving "C:Comb. Artes" as it is and creating "Category:Cooperative Artes" for those that mainly pertain those artes that are more "characters simply joining forces, their artes are not combined". Would Boost Strikes still be in their own category, i.e. "Category:Boost Strikes" or more to the new "Category:Cooperative Artes"?—Kaimi (talk) ∙ 18:19, 20 October 2022 (UTC)

I think I'd put them as a subcategory, as we do have a Boost Strikes page. Lanate (talk) 03:37, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

Tales of Hearts R: Quest Clock and Tales of Hearts R: Infinite Evolve[]

I've been meaning to ask, what is Tales of Hearts R: Quest Clock? Is it supposed to be Tales of Hearts R: Infinity Evolve? Manikin (talk) 17:30, 25 October 2022 (UTC)

Tales of Hearts R: Quest Clock (テイルズオブハーツR クエストクロック) is an app that comes with the Link Edition of the game that, based on a rough search online, essentially acted as a collection game for VITA skins. You send off characters and then waited, real-time, for them to come back with new skins. Infinite Evolve is a different app entirely. Lanate (talk) 02:32, 26 October 2022 (UTC)

Does Tales of Hearts R: Infinite Evolve be considered as a separate game, similar to Tales of Wall Breaker? Manikin (talk) 15:30, 26 October 2022 (UTC)

Yes, it would be considered a separate game. Lanate (talk) 02:24, 27 October 2022 (UTC)

Moving some pages[]

I noticed some pages that were wrongly named like for example Clay's page since there is already one Clay in Tales of Vesperia who leads to the "Dark Enforcer" side quest and the Colonel Clay in Tales of Luminaria. I don't know how to move the actual Clay page into "Clay (Tales of Luminaria)" since it is the page about the Colonel. Manikin (talk) 22:47, 14 November 2022 (UTC)

Done! If you can provide a list of other examples, please let me know. Lanate (talk) 03:34, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

Adding more recurring weapon pages?[]

While skimming some pages in the wiki, I noticed a link in some pages to a non-existing page for the weapon Ninja Sword/Nintou Chizakura or Chizakura. Are powerful recurring weapons that appeared in more than one game are supposed to have their own pages such as Excalibur or the Last Fencer? Manikin (talk) 21:41, 17 December 2022 (UTC)

Page for Another Eden[]

Should we create an article for Another Eden? While it was only one Symphony (permanent collab story) it was fine to just link to it on Wikipedia, but now since we have two Symphonies for the series, with many side activities from the series, I think creating an article for Another Eden might be a good idea. What do you think?—Kaimi (talk) ∙ 22:27, 21 December 2022 (UTC)

I don't mind the existence of pages dedicated to covering extensive collaborations between the Tales franchise and another franchise so long as the pages themselves focus on the collaboration itself rather than going too far into the other franchise. Lanate (talk) 08:11, 22 December 2022 (UTC)

Yeah, wasn't planning on overcovering of collab aspects in AE anyway. ;) —Kaimi (talk) ∙ 15:43, 22 December 2022 (UTC)

Adding artes from mangas and drama CDs[]

How do I modify the template for the arte appearances? I want to add artes that appeared in mangas such as Tales of Symphonia (manga) and in drama CDs such as Tales of Vesperia, under the titles "Written Works" and "Drama CDs" respectively. I'm trying to understand how the template works but the huge chunks of text in the template confused me. Manikin (talk) 21:17, 25 December 2022 (UTC)

I can add stuff in a bit; the reason why it's complicated at the moment is because each section needs to know if a previous section exists in order to add a newline character, otherwise there are weird gaps in the list at places. Lanate (talk) 22:00, 25 December 2022 (UTC)

All right then. Sorry for making you doing this while I'm asking too much questions those days. Manikin (talk) 22:20, 25 December 2022 (UTC)

Nah, it's good to know. I can add comments for clarity when I update it! Lanate (talk) 03:52, 26 December 2022 (UTC)

Translations[]

Hey Lanate, hope things are going well. Thanks for actually clarifying that fumble on the Tempest page, could've sworn Destiny PS2 used the new translation, but probably me misremembering since I haven't played that in several years.

Anyways, I hope me fixing some of the translations on the wiki has been okay, I know some of them have been on here for nearly 15 years when I was more frequent on the site. I recall reading a comment on somebody's talk page several years ago that we weren't allowed to change those translations from Kusanagilord's older faq? However, looking at Kusanagilord's translation guide, I've kind of noticed a bad habit he had, like many of us in our translating years in the 2000s did, of simply just going with a base name/translation of some of the individual kanji and not actually looking into what some of the word combinations mean. So a lot of the translations I have been updating have been me fixing those mistakes. I hope me continuing to do that is okay and won't be a problem, since I plan to do more of it from time to time, since I've recently gotten back into replaying a lot of my Japanese Tales titles on my PC in the past several months. --Miphares (talk) 18:09, 15 January 2023 (UTC)

I don't mind that at all. I feel the translation efforts nowadays are a little more mature than they had been, with better resources available, and it's generally better to reevaluate some longer-standing misconceptions. Lanate (talk) 22:27, 15 January 2023 (UTC)

I'm also really bad with niceties, but I'm glad to see you're back and willing to help out! I hope things have been going well for you. Lanate (talk) 04:55, 16 January 2023 (UTC)

Admin+[]

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Introduction[]

Hello there! I'm Nightsilver, but you can call me Julia. I'm going to be supporting you as your Wiki Representative, here to help your wiki grow in information and community development as the liaison helper from Staff! If you're curious about what WRs are, you can click here for more info. Do you have any questions relating to users, CSS, infrastructure, bugs, etc? Or are there things you think the community needs at the wiki, like a new design or Discord? You can message me about them on my wall, or on my Discord at Silverwing#9457!

I look forward to working with you!Nightsilver (wall • talk) 21:20, 23 April 2023 (UTC)

Hi! At the moment, I don't have anything in mind right now, but if I (or the other parts of the community) do, then we'll be in contact! Lanate (talk) 03:05, 25 April 2023 (UTC)

I'm back[]

It's past May 17th, which means my year-long sabattical is just about over.

As a starting point, I'd like to update the Rays artelists (with romanizations that I can confirm are already on this wiki), and dump all the Asteria info I've got. If you happen to find my information questionable, I have the evidence for most of them. (I have recorded months and months of evidence, often repeated, to get as much info as I could. Admittedly, there were some fights that I couldn't get to myself, so I would like to apologize for being unable to find Lithia Cattleya mystic arte).

N. DS 14:06, 18 May 2023 (UTC)

I hope that this works out better than previous. Lanate (talk) 23:20, 18 May 2023 (UTC)

If I'm being honest... me too. :N. DS 23:58, 18 May 2023 (UTC)

Might not be the best time to ask for help, but...[]

Looking back, I noticed a lot of potential mistakes on this wiki, especially ones I made. (Remember these?) And as soon as I saw you go through them, I felt nothing but raw dread and pure regret. Here are the following pages that need to be renamed.

Houou Jinraishou —> "Houou Tenraishou" Ukigumorinmei —> "Fuunrinmei" (I checked the Rays (ふうんりんめい)) Hajin Senresshou —> "Hajin Senretsushou" (like Majin Senretsushou (はじんせんれつしょう)) Shimesshou (the redirect for Dust Bath) —> Shimetsushou (I checked the Rays (しめつしょう)) Youkuuressou —> "Youkuuretsusou" (ようくうれつそう) Shippuuressen (the redirect for Punishing Gale)—> "Shippuuretsusen" (しっぷうれつせん) Ensou Rekuugeki —> "Ensou Rekkuugeki"

For Tirgu, I noticed too late that others use "Tirug", so I definitely feel like I jumped the gun there. And I have a feeling that the Asteria soundtrack on Apple Music is Google translated for some reason.

N. DS 03:11, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

Replacing old texts[]

So I've been skimming around to check mistakes and I noticed a lot of texts of what I've written that needs to be replaced. If the bot is going to correct things, here's the things that needs to be changed:

- Ex Summons into EX Summons (that was my bad, I forgot the term was already decided in the Summon (mechanic) page yet I did a mess for every page in the Crestoria arte pages without reading twice -_-)

- Definitive Edition and Remastered into Definitive Edition and Remastered (my bad, again...)

Also the the dablink tag needs to corrected as well, here's a example in Heavenly Torrent:

into

Hope those changes will be applied. Manikin (talk) 12:45, 28 May 2023 (UTC)

I'll try and get around it. The bots are actually only semi-automated and I tend to visually inspect a lot of the changes. Lanate (talk) 04:48, 29 May 2023 (UTC)

Arte descriptions and history + fighting styles[]

To be perfectly frank, there are times whenever this comes up, that I think “OK, I need to start taking this seriously.” In those days, I take the time to rough draft and spread out the descriptions of the artes as much as I can for the sake of variety (and for the sake of the images not overflowing the page, such as what I did to Moon Glare), including the minor details, between whatever the characters do to make the technique unique to them (based on their different fighting styles), and how they are executed in different titles (i.e. the color of the aura), such as the infamous Beast known as Lion's Howl (I know, bad pun). Which is why I've also been taking notes from this guy, and going frame by frame to get an accurate description. Now, this may include details you will find irrelevant or repetitive, but as far as I'm concerned about this, I don't know if I'm willing to make it two or three sentences and just call it a day anymore.

And, yes, we aren't given any clear visual in Asteria, but will it be enough to input their stats? If not, I understand.

N. DS 02:53, 30 May 2023 (UTC)

I don't know if I'd consider this information to be fully relevant. Sometimes, focusing only on the minutiae, it feels like the arte pages miss the core of what makes the arte, the arte. Like for the description of Lightning Blade, the important bit is the thrust into the lightning bolt. All the lead-up, added in with the horrendous amount of run-on sentences, just really clutters the page. In addition to your output rate, which is still way too much, it's exhausting to parse.

I don't know what you mean by Asteria. Lanate (talk) 03:34, 31 May 2023 (UTC)

I was reffering to the fact that Asteria only shows the blows landed, and not what's happening in the background. Like with Oscar's Divine Fang for example. N. DS 15:30, 31 May 2023 (UTC):

No. There is no description inherent there. Lanate (talk) 02:49, 1 June 2023 (UTC)

Alright. I won't add them.

N. DS 02:59, 1 June 2023 (UTC)

Page (parenthesis)[]

In my honest opinion, we should REFRAIN from using parenthesis on page titles as much as we can, not that I'm complaining about it per se; Going off the assumption that you already know what I'm talking about, I'd like to believe your reasons for separating the pages are valid. But in case you don't, I found this gimmick we could use called "{{DISPLAYTITLE:DisplayTitle}}". Now, to be perfectly clear, I am not planning to use this gimmik ANYWHERE OUTSIDE of removing the parenthesis, but I feel like we need to address them, which is why I wholeheartedly appreciate the decision made with Maximum Burst. While it is true that I take issue with Finite Devastation, and Aerial Laser, that's not why I'm bringing it up. I looked around the policies, but I couldn't find anything regarding this gimmick, but if you wish to refrain from using this on account of keeping the page titles as separate as possible, I understand.

If that is going to be the case, I just want you to know that I did NOT see that other Sand Breath (サンドブレス). Now, I feel upset at myself because I can't change it from the other (サンドストーム). And the fact that they're from the same game makes it feel even worse. If we can't use the gimmick, can we at least fix that?

N. DS 19:38, 7 June 2023 (UTC)

Using Display Title to hide the parser makes it difficult to know the end result of the page and will not be done. Lanate (talk) 03:07, 9 June 2023 (UTC)

Arte quote altercations (: ; ======)[]

I'm beginning to feel that this topic needs to be discussed immediately. Personally, I'm getting confused as to how we should approach this, and if there is a formula planned out, I am unaware of the whole picture. Lemme recap what I DO know...

The "======" is for alternative artes EXCLUSIVELY. The Upper Bold is used for separate users of said artes, as well as spellcasting times.

That only leaves these two ": ;". Now, as far as I'm aware, there are times where the quote of the arte can change if certain actions are met, such as Yuri's Savage Wolf Fury against Duke in his second form. A more prominent example would be some of the artes in Rays that can be used in the air. As in, their quotes are altered when triggered in the air.

There are also the unnamed extensions, susch as in Kohaku's Blazing Ring (you'll see what I mean). Which do we used for those altercations? Other than the (parenthesis), I mean. If I didn't say it before, I only seek clarity.

N. DS 15:00, 10 June 2023 (UTC)

Four level TOC should be used either when you have multiple artes or while you have execution differences that would otherwise require multiple alternate quotes, on a case-by-case basis. Semicolon should not be used as it creates unnatural groupings. Colons are used when you have multiple lines until the same section and there is not proper punctuation. Lanate (talk) 03:17, 11 June 2023 (UTC)

Arte screenshot[]

I have a few screenshots in storage, that I have been pretty hesitant to upload for a few reasons. If possible, would you take the time to look at them? Here's the link. (To be fair, they still need to be cropped. Although, I think I can guess what your answer is gonna be.)

N. DS 22:36, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

They have to be significantly better than what already exists. Lanate (talk) 20:03, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

Yet another topic I need CLARITY on.

Are there any specifications as to what counts as "significantly better", so I can make them "significantly better"? No offense, but to say I've been racking my brain about this for a while is an understatement. Just so that we don't get the wrong idea, here's how I see it.

Using "official" screenshots is COMPLETE AND TOP PRIORITY if they...

1. display a clear visual of the arte (especially the kind that you can't access normally with the camera)
2. have little to no clutter blocking/interfering with the animation (i.e. icons, subtitles)

If I have no choice but to make my own screenshots, I need to avoid the following...

• watermarks
• any clutter getting in the way of the animation
• ANOTHER ARTE being performed at the same time
• screenshotting it too early or too late
• screenshotting it too far a distance (which means I may need to upgrade it to max AoE)

Using the trailers for an image is also ideal because they completely lack the "clutter", provided the animation is high-enough quality.

To be frank, I get the impression that I'm not supposed/allowed to mess with images that other people have already uploaded, so I'm going to refrain from doing so. But there have been instances of myself making the same mistakes mentioned above in the past. If possible, I would like to at least rectify THOSE mistakes, if I can.

Again, what do I do to make the screenshots I have "significantly better" than existing ones?

N. DS 00:04, 28 June 2023 (UTC)

It's hard for me to give specifics because you show no concept of restraint and will take any single statement to absurd extremes. Any concrete criteria seems to only exist to be gamed by you. This is very much a loose, when-you-see-it criteria. Essentially, old images should only be replaced if they lack all of the above. Lanate (talk) 03:41, 29 June 2023 (UTC)

I think I am... GRAVELY misunderstanding that last sentence. Did you mean "if the old images have any of the above, they should be replaced"?

N. DS 21:53, 3 July 2023 (UTC)

I mistyped. Only if an image features all of the above qualities should it be replaced. Lanate (talk) 04:26, 4 July 2023 (UTC)

I'm terribly sorry for pestering you about this. The thing is, however far I take this, the last thing I want is someone 'reminding' me "Hey, y'know that thing you just did? Yeah, you can't do that." And the next thing you know, I'm kicked out for good. I'm willing to replace images I put up myself, but if replacing images from other people like you is out of the question, then that is what I'm trying to avoid. Again, I'm sorry if I am frustrating you on this topic over and over again.

N. DS 23:26, 18 September 2023 (UTC)

It is frustrating. Basically, the image needs to be significantly better. If you don't have the ability to judge that yourself, please don't try. Lanate (talk) 03:21, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

Changing the Majin Rengokusatsu page into Wolf's Penitence[]

Can you change the Majin Rengokusatsu page into Wolf's Penitence as well as the redirects? I was in the Tales of Quiz section today in the Tales of Channel Plus website and today's quiz is about:

"In Tales of Destiny 2, Judas has a hidden mystic arte during which he is unmasked. From the third play-through onward, it has a chance of activation under certain conditions. What is it called?"

I answered wrong on that one (I know, it's embarrassing but the question's wording seems wrong in my eyes) and the answer says Wolf's Penitence. Seems Bamco acknowledge the name as the official naming for the mystic arte. What do you think? Manikin (talk) 13:09, 5 August 2023 (UTC)

I can vouch that they are telling the truth.

N. DS 17:08, 5 August 2023 (UTC)

Soundtracks[]

Now, the games' soundtracks are available to stream. Think we should edite the soundtrack pages to add these external links? I was beginning to think so myself, but then I realized that would be a lot for each...

N. DS 20:09, 12 August 2023 (UTC)

I'm ambivalent to the thought. Lanate (talk) 03:51, 15 August 2023 (UTC)

Arte appearances display problem[]

What happened to the template for the arte appearances? It displays texts from the template if there's an arte that appeared in the CD drama or manga. Manikin (talk) 19:40, 15 August 2023 (UTC)

I think I went too far. I added the following media to the "Usage" area to "document" the ones that had arte usage in them because I did not trust myself to ruin something Lanate had worked so hard on an put them in the actual template myself. If this is because I was too impatient, I'm sorry.

N. DS 19:57, 15 August 2023 (UTC)

That was my bad; I shouldn't edit when tired. Lanate (talk) 03:17, 16 August 2023 (UTC)

Item Acquirement template[]

The case of empty lines in item tables have driving me crazy for many years now so I've finally decided to create a template to "prevent" it. A quick test tells me that template need to be invoked in the first line otherwise the empty line is created anyway if not done that way; still better way than to waste time in adding code individually on each page to avoid empty lines if more than one acquirement method is available for an item. I also was inspired by our efforts with Template:Arte Appearances and generalized the order of acquirement methods. Think it's a good idea to include it as another important template?—Kaimi (talk) ∙ 19:10, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

I think it makes sense as a way to help standardize things. Lanate (talk) 02:17, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

As an expansion, do you think it would be dumb and cumbersome to make a general template for equipment pages, to keep a consistent table order? Lanate (talk) 02:24, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

A general equipment table would indeed be cumbersome since stats and their names differ between games, some games have in-game database IDs that may even differ between releases (e.g. ToV, ToG), not too mention that some games would need to have extra columns for their game-specific things, like ToX with its Shop Levels or ToZ/ToB with its max enhance for their equipment. Personally, I'd love it if we'd be able to cut on the number of columns since we have way top many IMO; I understand it's mainly for people who want to use the sorting option to see, e.g. which weapon has the highest P.DEF for example (some weapons have this stat) but in the long run it's a rather annoying thing, especially with really long tables. I'll try to pen some skeleton template for what I have in mind/what might look decent later.—Kaimi (talk) ∙ 06:12, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

I don't think I'll be able to create a template for item lists; I'm simply not sure if that's possible. I kind of wanted to have something akin to TotR arte list template where the table header would change based on the template used inside but I just can't get it to work. It would be pretty cool if the table header template would be able to show columns based on parameters used in content/list template but I don't think that's possible.

Still, is okay to move my Item Acquirement WIP into templatespace and start using it?

—Kaimi (talk) ∙ 18:14, 25 October 2023 (UTC)

Yeah, go ahead. Lanate (talk) 04:08, 29 October 2023 (UTC)

Beyond the Dawn[]

I won't go into much detail concerning this DLC expansion, because it came out just recently, but regardless... Shouldn't we make an additional slot for appearances, considering there are new enemies which are apparently exclusive to the DLC? Or are we simply going to use the Arise slot like normal?

N. DS 21:21, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

Arise slot like normal. We don't separate out other DLC stories, like Zestiria's. Lanate (talk) 03:12, 17 November 2023 (UTC)

OK. But I think I need help with that mess-up I did with Nazamil's page and templates... If I tried it, no one would be happy...

N. DS 04:14, 17 November 2023 (UTC)

I DEEPLY apologize if I confused you, as well as for -if I am- contradicting my previous statement. I meant redirecting the page itself to "Nazamil Hildris", since she is confirmed to be the daughter of Urwagil Hildris, former Lord of Ganath Haros. Plus, she is referred to as such in the end credits.

N. DS 23:21, 20 November 2023 (UTC)

Considering this is regarding the final boss of the DLC, I'll be using "<!--this-->" to avoid unnecessary spoiling.

N. DS 00:18, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

I have not played to that point and cannot comment. Lanate (talk) 03:13, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

You Shiina's name has been misspelled as "Yuu Shiina"[]

The character designer for Tales of Commons, You Shiina, has her name misspelled on the wiki. I applied the correction in the page's contents, but looks like renaming page titles is restricted so I can't fix it. Could you rename the page "Yuu Shiina" to "You Shiina"? Thanks!

Got it moved! In our defense, the furigana for her name is ゆう or Yuu. Lanate (talk) 02:27, 21 January 2024 (UTC)

Symphonia Remastered Illustrations[]

I uploaded the illustrations for Lloyd, Colette, Genis, Raine, Kratos, Sheena, Zelos, Presea, Regal and Mithos on the wiki, but I don't know how to upload the images into the info boxes (properly)

Can you help me out please?

-Annon-Guy 2.0., 20:27, 4 February 2024

For starters, make sure you type this "~~~~" after every note, to let them know who's talking.

N. DS 00:32, 5 February 2024 (UTC)

What's a nowiki? I don't understand

-Annon-Guy 2.0., 03:12, 5 February 2024

Just type what's inside the "nowiki". It's basically the wiki's way of making a signature of an editor.

The "nowiki" part is used to bypass this and any other rig. If you have any other questions, you can talk to me on Discord.

N. DS 03:29, 5 February 2024 (UTC)

Got it taken care of. Hope the images are to your liking.

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