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		DarthBangaa - "It takes a lot of nerve to call a Bangaa a lizard!" TALK - 02:16, 19 July 2008 (UTC)



		One thing I've noticed in Final Fantasy tactics is that if you turn human enemies into chickens and then "poach" them (that is, defeat them with a physical attack while having the poach ability while they are still chickens), the poacher's den will have one of the pieces of equipment they were wearing.

Merge[]

Merge with Morph (ability)? Morph already covers both of these. Doreiku Kuroofangu 19:34, September 2, 2010 (UTC)

Also, Card (ability) could probably be merged too. Doreiku Kuroofangu 19:41, September 2, 2010 (UTC)

Subpages?[]


		Xenomic TALK - 06:52, October 12, 2010 (UTC)



		Similar to how the Mix pages have their own subpages (or something had subpages...forget now...), I say that we should have a subpage for the Morphs/Poaches for each game on here. That would help tremendously with the restructuring of item pages, as that'll cut down on FFVI's massive Morph list (I know I say that all articles should be fully covered with every detail...but the Morphs for VI is just...ugh....). We could probably use them here anyways regardless whether or not we remove them from item articles.

Intro[]

I think Poach is a unique case of recurring ability (at least, unique to my immediate recollection) in that, while as shown many games have abilities that turn enemies into items, they are not, as in other circumstances, alternate translations of the Japanese name or slight variations of a base name. So how about we reword the intro as "Poach is a recurring ability, blah blah turns weakened enemies into items. The similar abilities Transmute, Morph, etc, bear the same effect". Doreiku Kuroofangu 12:41, April 26, 2012 (UTC)

Card definitely shouldn't just be mentioned as an alternate name for Poach in the intro. Also fairly sure there are other circumstances of similar/same abilities having different names in Japan, but I wouldn't be able to recall which ones.

I wouldn't have thought it was necessary to separate Morph et al from the intro since they share the exact same function. They are just other names for it. JBed 12:49, April 26, 2012 (UTC)

They are alternate names for the ability, yes, but they are not alternate names for Poach, if that makes sense. Poach is never "also known as" Morph or Transmute, but they are still different names for the same skill. Doreiku Kuroofangu 12:52, April 26, 2012 (UTC)

Ermm... I know what you mean, but I disagree. The page is about the ability. We refer to the ability primarily by the name Poach. But the ability is also known as Morph, and Transmute. JBed 12:55, April 26, 2012 (UTC)

Exactly. Hence my suggestion for a slight rewording so we don't say Poach is also known as Morph, Transmute, etc, but instead we say they are similar abilities with the same effect. Doreiku Kuroofangu 12:57, April 26, 2012 (UTC)

No, I would say they are all the same ability but they have a different name. The Poach ability is also known as Morph and Transmute. Because Japan changed the name of the ability, it does not mean it is a different ability. JBed 13:03, April 26, 2012 (UTC)

Okay, I guess I see your point. Doreiku Kuroofangu 13:13, April 26, 2012 (UTC)

Split?[]


		Xenomic TALK - 21:39, February 16, 2016 (UTC)



		This is one that I'm debating about heavily. On one hand, all of these do pretty much the same thing: Get an item from defeating an enemy. However, FFXII's and FFT's are the only ones really named Poach, while the others are not at all. We have Metamorphose which is Ragnarok's special ability, then we have FFVII's Morph, FFVIII's Card, and FFTA2's Transmute. I'm not sure on how to handle this page at all... In addition, I still think that subpages for the various morphs, if this page is to remain a parent page of sorts, would be great to have, just so that all the Morph data is on one place or something?


		Keltainentoukokuu - OH YEAH AWESOME TALK - Keltainentoukokuu (talk) 12:42, February 18, 2016 (UTC)



		They used to be separate and were merged to be on this page because they were considered to be similar enough.


		Xenomic TALK - 22:38, February 18, 2016 (UTC)



		Yeah, I think I was the one that suggested them to be merged or something back then. That's why I'm still debating about this one BECAUSE they're so similar. But we've split other things that were really similar before and whatnot. This one though...it can probably stay maybe. What about the subpages? Think that'd be good?


		Keltainentoukokuu - OH YEAH AWESOME TALK - Keltainentoukokuu (talk) 00:07, February 19, 2016 (UTC)



		I don't really know, I associate subpages being content that is broken off because it wouldn't comfortably fit onto the main. Guess "Poach" is not an obvious descriptor for this article, but articles always just used to be named after the most recurring ability name. Making a name that conveys "abilities that transform monsters into items" (I think cards can be said to be items)...there's never going to be a perfectly fluid name for that.