Tantamounts
Joined 5 December 2017
Latest comment: 6 years ago by Tantamounts in topic Remake
Remake
hi interqwark. regarding Pokemon Let's Go Pikachu And Let's Go Eevee. Its Been Confirmed By The Developers. that they are Remakes of Pokemon Yellow. so Saying Its not technically a remake is invalid. i Hope you change the edit cause it is incorrect. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Shizunetut (talk • contribs) 8:21, 22 June 2018 (UTC)
- @Shizunetut: Hi. A remake is a game built again from the ground up. Let’s Go, Pikachu! and Let’s Go, Eevee! are based on Pokémon Yellow but are not remakes of that game. If you disagree, please discuss on the article’s talk page instead of edit warring. Thank you. Tantamounts talk contribs 09:46, 22 June 2018 (UTC)
- hi interqwark. a remake is A game based on an original, sticking true to most elements, lovingly following it with a few enhancements/new features/mechanics.Let’s Go, Pikachu! and Let’s Go, Eevee! is just like that. and once again the developers have confirmed that they are remakes of the game. there is no point in
saying that they are not technically a remake. i hope you understand. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Shizunetut (talk • contribs) 09:35, 27 June 2018 (UTC)
- @Shizunetut: Let’s Go, Pikachu! and Let’s Go, Eevee! are inspired by Yellow, regardless of what the developers or publishers say. They do not share all the mechanics of Yellow, even lacking the ability to battle wild Pokémon.
- By the way, changing the sentence over and over again after being reverted and told to stop many times is not the best way to go about things. See Wikipedia:Edit warring and WP:CYCLE.
- @The1337gamer and Thewolfchild: Can you agree or disagree with me? Tantamounts talk contribs 14:00, 27 June 2018 (UTC)
- @Tantamounts as i said before. a remake is A game based on an original, sticking true to most elements, lovingly following it with a few enhancements/new features/mechanics. this is the most accurate term i can find. other remakes like pokemon omega ruby and alpha sapphire also do not have all the mechanics of ruby and saphhire. saying its not. regardless of what the developers say is extremaly false. they are the creators of the game and they are who decide. i can not stand and see false infomation without correcting it. and i hope you understand. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Shizunetut (talk • contribs) 07:38, 28 June 2018 (UTC)
- @Shizunetut: Developers and publishers use terms like “remaster” and “remake” all the time, even when they are technically incorrect. It’s usually just a marketing tactic. Reliable sources consistently say that the two games are inspired by Yellow, not that they’re remakes.
From the Video game remake article:Typically, a remake of such game software shares essentially the same title, fundamental gameplay concepts, and core story elements of the original game.
Yellow and Let’s Go, Pikachu!/Eevee! do not share the same title, fundamental gameplay concepts, and core story elements. - Even if you believe you’re right, you should discuss any controversial change instead of reverting to your preferred revision. Tantamounts talk contribs 10:28, 28 June 2018 (UTC)
- @Tantamounts OK i will not revert to my "preferred" version after this until you understand. pokemon yellow is called pokemon pikachu in japan. so they do have the same title. the story is the same but gameplay mechanic don't have to be the same. the gameplay mechaninc changes with every remake. and since you did listen to the director when he said inspired. he also said its a remake of yellow. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Shizunetut (talk • contribs) 01:56, 29 June 2018 (UTC)
- @Shizunetut: I’m blocked, so I can’t do anything, but please revert the page to how it was and discuss it on the article’s talk page. I’m blocked, so I can’t make a post on the talk page, but you can. Please reach a consensus before changing it to your preferred revision. Tantamounts talk contribs 11:24, 29 June 2018 (UTC)
- @Tantamounts OK i will not revert to my "preferred" version after this until you understand. pokemon yellow is called pokemon pikachu in japan. so they do have the same title. the story is the same but gameplay mechanic don't have to be the same. the gameplay mechaninc changes with every remake. and since you did listen to the director when he said inspired. he also said its a remake of yellow. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Shizunetut (talk • contribs) 01:56, 29 June 2018 (UTC)
- @Shizunetut: Developers and publishers use terms like “remaster” and “remake” all the time, even when they are technically incorrect. It’s usually just a marketing tactic. Reliable sources consistently say that the two games are inspired by Yellow, not that they’re remakes.
- @Tantamounts as i said before. a remake is A game based on an original, sticking true to most elements, lovingly following it with a few enhancements/new features/mechanics. this is the most accurate term i can find. other remakes like pokemon omega ruby and alpha sapphire also do not have all the mechanics of ruby and saphhire. saying its not. regardless of what the developers say is extremaly false. they are the creators of the game and they are who decide. i can not stand and see false infomation without correcting it. and i hope you understand. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Shizunetut (talk • contribs) 07:38, 28 June 2018 (UTC)
New Super Mario Bros.
@The1337gamer: I’m blocked, so I can’t post on your talk page, but why did you change New Super Mario Bros. (series) from an article back to a redirect page? Tantamounts talk contribs 14:25, 24 June 2018 (UTC)
- It's not a separate series from Super Mario. Just because it has "New" in front of the title, doesn't mean it should have a separate page. --The1337gamer (talk) 14:47, 24 June 2018 (UTC)
- @The1337gamer: What makes Mario Kart, Mario Party, Mario Tennis, Yoshi, Donkey Kong, Wario, etc., separate series but not New Super Mario Bros.? There are four New Super Mario Bros. games and one expansion pack. That sounds like a series to me. Sources, and Nintendo themselves, also call it a series. A series is just a number of similar things coming one after another, and NSMB fits that description. I think it’d be beneficial to have an article about the series as a whole, which is why I wrote the article. Tantamounts talk contribs 15:01, 24 June 2018 (UTC)
- Also, wouldn’t it be better to put it up at WP:AfD instead of reverting to a redirect? Tantamounts talk contribs 21:18, 24 June 2018 (UTC)
@The1337gamer: Not to bother you, but can you reply? Tantamounts talk contribs 16:29, 26 June 2018 (UTC)
- What makes Mario Kart, Mario Party, Mario Tennis, Yoshi, Donkey Kong, Wario, etc., separate series but not New Super Mario Bros.?
- Completely different gameplay and reliable sources consider them to be separate series. New Super Mario Bros. games are platformers which share the same core gameplay as the rest of 2D Super Mario games. You'll find far more sources that consider it part of the Super Mario series than sources that consider it separate. The only difference is Nintendo prefixed "New" on title purely for marketing purposes. The latest 2D title in the series, Super Mario Maker, even includes the New Super Mario Bros. tileset.
- A series is just a number of similar things coming one after another, and NSMB fits that description.
- And this exact argument is a reason for why should not have a separate article, because it is already the same gameplay and series as Super Mario. You're literally just creating a page for something we already have a topic in. Expanding and improving the existing article would more constructive...
- Also, wouldn’t it be better to put it up at WP:AfD instead of reverting to a redirect?
- Not really. Read point C at WP:BEFORE: If the topic is not important enough to merit an article on its own, consider merging or redirecting to an existing article. This should be done particularly if the topic name is a likely search term. This is exactly what I did.
- --The1337gamer (talk) 17:04, 26 June 2018 (UTC)
- @The1337gamer: Thanks for the reply. News outlets and Nintendo’s official websites do call New Super Mario Bros. a series. The Mario wiki also calls it a series and has an individual article about it. By definition, it is a series. I think what matters is whether there should be an article about it, not whether it’s a series. I would consult Wikipedia:Third opinion but can’t since I’m blocked. I would like to know someone else’s view on this, though. I think it’d be nice to let the series have its own article as the NSMB games are very different to the older Super Mario games (albeit with all four games being identical). Could you ask another editor about their opinion as well? Tantamounts talk contribs 18:51, 26 June 2018 (UTC)
- I have been following this issue since the beginning and, as a 3rd opinion, concur with The1337gamer. The rather informal manner in which "series" is being utilized here does not warrant a entire new article. The existing content is more than sufficient. @Tanatamounts, I also agree with The1337gamer's suggestion that "Expanding and improving the existing article would [be] more constructive". (That is, when you return from your block). Hope this helps. - wolf 19:47, 26 June 2018 (UTC)
- @The1337gamer: Thanks for the reply. News outlets and Nintendo’s official websites do call New Super Mario Bros. a series. The Mario wiki also calls it a series and has an individual article about it. By definition, it is a series. I think what matters is whether there should be an article about it, not whether it’s a series. I would consult Wikipedia:Third opinion but can’t since I’m blocked. I would like to know someone else’s view on this, though. I think it’d be nice to let the series have its own article as the NSMB games are very different to the older Super Mario games (albeit with all four games being identical). Could you ask another editor about their opinion as well? Tantamounts talk contribs 18:51, 26 June 2018 (UTC)