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Did you know nomination
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The result was: promoted by SL93 (talk) 23:53, 25 July 2022 (UTC)
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- ... that the name of the Indian city Bangalore could be derived from a Kannada word meaning 'town of boiled beans'? Source: https://web.archive.org/web/20120505010927/http://www.hindu.com/thehindu/mp/2002/07/25/stories/2002072500270200.htm
- ALT1: ... that Bangalore is known as the Silicon Valley and Garden City of India? Source: [1] [2]
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Improved to Good Article status by Kpddg (talk). Self-nominated at 11:54, 14 July 2022 (UTC).
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Overall: I added some citation needed tags in places that were missing a citation, which need to be resolved. Earwig did detect some copyright concerns, but I think the other sites copied from Wikipedia. Z1720 (talk) 18:20, 17 July 2022 (UTC)
@Z1720, this was discussed in the GA review as well. Each statement (like XYZ is a franchise based on the city) has its own article , so it was considered WP:BLUE. Kpddg (talk) 10:22, 18 July 2022 (UTC)
- I took a look at the statements, and I would not consider them WP:BLUE. Furthermore, BLUE is an essay, which means it is "the opinion or advice of an editor or group of editors for which widespread consensus has not been established." (WP:POLICIES). Since DYK articles appear on the Main Page, there are stricter rules about what needs to be in the articles, and thus these statements will need citations to conform to WP:V. Z1720 (talk) 13:17, 18 July 2022 (UTC)
- I have added the citations Kpddg (talk) 14:27, 18 July 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks for adding the citations. This is approved, with a preference for ALT0. Z1720 (talk) 14:35, 18 July 2022 (UTC)
- Thank you Kpddg (talk) 15:12, 18 July 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks for adding the citations. This is approved, with a preference for ALT0. Z1720 (talk) 14:35, 18 July 2022 (UTC)
- I have added the citations Kpddg (talk) 14:27, 18 July 2022 (UTC)
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- ^ —Canton, Naomi (6 December 2012). "How the 'Silicon Valley of India' is bridging the digital divide". CNN. Archived from the original on 18 December 2012. Retrieved 6 December 2012.
—Rai, Saritha (20 March 2006). "Is the Next Silicon Valley Taking Root in Bangalore?". The New York Times. Archived from the original on 13 October 2011. Retrieved 20 March 2006.
—Vaidyanathan, Rajini (5 November 2012). "Can the 'American Dream' be reversed in India?". BBC World News. Archived from the original on 5 November 2012. Retrieved 5 November 2012. - ^ https://books.google.co.in/books?id=VvpIAAAAIAAJ&redir_esc=y
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Why are we using an outdated colonial spelling of the name?
Should we rename the articles for Bombay and Calcutta as well? 192.34.130.239 (talk) 16:47, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
- The official name is Bengaluru. The article should be moved. Mantharatalk 18:56, 30 October 2024 (UTC)
Semi-protected edit request on 18 May 2024 (2)
Highest temperature ever recorded in Bengaluru is 41.8°c at Kengeri on April 30, 2024
Record high temperature in May is 41.1°c.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 2402:8100:25D9:474C:D532:AA0C:C015:A00E (talk) 05:05, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
No source for Mega City
The population crossed 10 million in bangalore and hyderabad but there is no official census after 2011. Statista un reliable source for Bangalore and Hyderabad. There is no official data after 2011 census in Indian citites, so only 3 cities qualify as Mega cities Delhi, Mumbai & Kolkata as on today.Ustadeditor2011 (talk) 10:14, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
thanks 2409:40E4:4D:CC6C:4C39:CE29:E23C:369C (talk) 13:05, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
Requesting move from Bangalore to Bengaluru
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Bangalore → Bengaluru – Hello, I would like to highlight a previously closed proposal to move the article from Bangalore to Bengaluru. The last discussion was closed due to lack of evidence. The official name of the city is Bengaluru and is also the common use.
Below are the evidences. As per WP:NAMECHANGES
- https://web.archive.org/web/20120406020325/http://archive.deccanherald.com/deccanherald/oct82006/index2044162006107.asp
- https://m.economictimes.com/news/politics-and-nation/bangalore-becomes-bengaluru-11-other-cities-renamed/articleshow/45002333.cms
- https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/bengaluru/it-is-official-bangalore-becomes-bengaluru/articleshow/45000684.cms
- https://www.business-standard.com/article/economy-policy/bangalore-is-now-bengaluru-114110100927_1.html
- https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-29845215
As per WP:COMMONNAME
- https://www.thehindu.com/sci-tech/energy-and-environment/bengaluru-used-to-be-a-magical-city-for-urban-ecology-but-not-so-anymore/article68805101.ece
- https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/britains-king-charles-on-a-personal-visit-to-bengaluru-6905225
- https://www.hindustantimes.com/cities/bengaluru-news/bengalurus-second-international-airport-kunigal-emerging-as-front-runner-report-101729240799715.html
- https://www.deccanherald.com/india/karnataka/bengaluru/south-bengaluru-likely-to-get-city-s-second-international-airport-3239145
- https://m.economictimes.com/news/india/mpox-cases-bengaluru-airport-starts-mandatory-monkeypox-testing-for-international-passengers/articleshow/113378881.cms
- https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-68509409
Please let me know if any more evidence needs to be provided. Mantharatalk 19:15, 30 October 2024 (UTC)
- Support: Manthara has listed many Indian outlets, and BBC, using Bengaluru commonly. Bengaluru is also now the common name in other non-Indian outlets, e.g. New York Times, The Guardian, Reuters, and Associated Press. The move is very long overdue. regards, TryKid [dubious – discuss] 05:47, 31 October 2024 (UTC)
- Support. The evidence is strong and the sources don't even qualify Bengaluru with an "also known as" or a "formerly known as". The common name has clearly shifted. RegentsPark (comment) 19:46, 31 October 2024 (UTC)
- Support -- long overdue.zoglophie•talk• 12:36, 1 November 2024 (UTC)
- Comment - The most recent substantive discussion of this name change was in June 2023: Talk:Bangalore/Archive_8#Requested_move_20_June_2023. It doesn't look like the Google Trends have changed since that discussion, but non-Indian outlets may have adjusted their editorial policies. From a quick look, it seems that e.g. the New York Times uses both almost every time it is discussed; try to Google "site:nytimes.com bangalore after:2023-01-01" for example. Suriname0 (talk) 15:38, 1 November 2024 (UTC)
- Indian websites such as Hindustan Times are still using the old name at some places.
- Vestrian24Bio (TALK) 10:45, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
- You can check the count of new articles with the changed name.
- https://www.hindustantimes.com/topic/Bengaluru
- Even the article that you have quoted is using the new name. Mantharatalk 12:23, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
- Support, for reasons listed by nominator and other users above (including WP:NAMECHANGES and WP:COMMONNAME). It genuinely seems like the common name has shifted in reliable sources. Paintspot Infez (talk) 00:23, 2 November 2024 (UTC)
- Support Long overdue, our refusal to use the new name is becoming embarassing as so many sources change their own usage. We should strongly favour the usage in Indian English-language sources per WP:TIES, and use of Bengaluru is overwhelming in such sources, as it is increasingly in other sources as well. AusLondonder (talk) 00:30, 2 November 2024 (UTC)
- Comment Is there any evidence that the WP:COMMONNAME has changed? The evidence presented so far is merely isolated examples of the name being used - and searching Google News, the systematic review I posted last time this was discussed appears to still apply, which ngrams also still shows a clear preference for Bangalore. BilledMammal (talk) 12:27, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
- @BilledMammal, Vestrian24Bio, and LindsayH: If you go by ngrams, you'll have to move Kolkata back to Calcutta and and Mumbai to Bombay; they still show the old names above! (zoom in the Bombay/Mumbai results to start for 2000 to see it more clearly, as they're close in later years). Similarly for Google Trends, they still have Kiev above Kyiv worldwide. Yet, that's not what we have for Wikipedia article titles. What actually matters is the usage in reliable and prominent sources, such as international and specially national sources (because of WP:TIES). They ought to be considered, much more seriously. regards, TryKid [dubious – discuss] 14:16, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
- @TryKid per this Google Trends report, Kolkata is the most searched and Calcutta only accounts for 1-3%. As per this Google Trends report, similarly Mumbai is the most searched and Bombay accounts for 6-7% only. Thus, Kolkata and Mumbai are the WP:COMMONNAMES.
- Just like that here Bangalore is the WP:COMMONNAME. Vestrian24Bio (TALK) 15:09, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
- What about Kyiv? This just shows that there is precedence to move the page against the Google Trend data. Mantharatalk 17:33, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
- I am also not sure how valuable your "systematic review" is. You don't tell us what date range they're from: if you've considered recent usage or all mentions from any period, and the surveyed newspapers seem to be randomly selected from various countries like Canada and Cambodia. Consider manually selecting recent coverage in prominent sources in India, and internationally prominent sources that consistently cover India. Automatic and broad sweeps of databases that might contain a lot of artificially generated junk, such as Google News, isn't helpful. regards, TryKid [dubious – discuss] 14:33, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
- Originally 2022, and today I've validated that the results still apply.
- The sources also aren't random; they're papers of record, and policy requires us to consider a global perspective. BilledMammal (talk) 14:37, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
- @BilledMammal, Vestrian24Bio, and LindsayH: If you go by ngrams, you'll have to move Kolkata back to Calcutta and and Mumbai to Bombay; they still show the old names above! (zoom in the Bombay/Mumbai results to start for 2000 to see it more clearly, as they're close in later years). Similarly for Google Trends, they still have Kiev above Kyiv worldwide. Yet, that's not what we have for Wikipedia article titles. What actually matters is the usage in reliable and prominent sources, such as international and specially national sources (because of WP:TIES). They ought to be considered, much more seriously. regards, TryKid [dubious – discuss] 14:16, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose: Based on the Google Trends report for last 365 days, Bangalore is the more searched. April 2024 where it had the peek, the old name accounts for 80% while the new name is only 20%; given the 4:1 ratio, Bangalore is the WP:COMMONNAME.Vestrian24Bio (TALK) 12:54, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
- How does search engine data outweigh reliable sources? AusLondonder (talk) 17:22, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
- Exactly! Search engine data is highly optimised for SEO. Companies and Media outlets intentionally use keywords to get more clicks. The evidence should be based on reliable sources not Search Engine data. Mantharatalk 17:26, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
- How does search engine data outweigh reliable sources? AusLondonder (talk) 17:22, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
- Support It's high time that name is changed to official name. It is adopted in most of the places by this time. Like Prayagraj, Chennai, Mumbai, Ayodhya etc. -Vijethnbharadwaj (talk) 13:40, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
- Silly to say things like "long overdue", when it is clearly not an obvious change; evidence given by Vestrian and BilledMammal makes clear it's at best evenly balanced. In time, more than likely, the change will be completely the common name, but it doesn't seem to be there yet, quite. Therefore, against mine expectation, Oppose. ~ LindsayHello 14:00, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose: per Google trends and Ngrams 2016-2022, both still shows "Bengalore" as more commonly used than "Bengaluru". Ckfasdf (talk) 14:46, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
- Again, irrelevant dataset that too is outdated by 2 years. Mantharatalk 17:39, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
- Procedural speedy close: The same proposed renaming has been rejected in 14 previous formal RMs. The last one was only six months ago, and nothing dramatic has happened since then and a few cherry-picked sources are not significant evidence (e.g., the second listed source is from 10 years ago). Simple statistical searches seem to show continued use of the current article name. People shouldn't be able to get their way by just wearing other people down with repeated insistence. Please give it a rest for a few years before trying this again. We shouldn't have to keep repeating this discussion this often. — BarrelProof (talk) 17:12, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
- Ever wondered why there is a repeated insistence? Because we live in this city and we know the ground reality. The sources listed which are 10 years ago are evidences for WP:NAMECHANGES. The sources cited are not cherry picked, I can cite more articles from reliable sources both Indian and International media outlets which is using the changed name. Mantharatalk 17:21, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
- To me it also seems a matter of respect. When a city is renamed, by a democratic government and the name is adopted by the people, why should we say "sorry, no I prefer your old name"? It's just disrespectful and condescending. AusLondonder (talk) 17:30, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
- Yup, that too after providing enough evidence. People want to speedy close this for some reason when there is overwhelming support for the move. Mantharatalk 17:35, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
- To me it also seems a matter of respect. When a city is renamed, by a democratic government and the name is adopted by the people, why should we say "sorry, no I prefer your old name"? It's just disrespectful and condescending. AusLondonder (talk) 17:30, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
- Ever wondered why there is a repeated insistence? Because we live in this city and we know the ground reality. The sources listed which are 10 years ago are evidences for WP:NAMECHANGES. The sources cited are not cherry picked, I can cite more articles from reliable sources both Indian and International media outlets which is using the changed name. Mantharatalk 17:21, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
- Comment Per WP:TITLEVAR "If a topic has strong ties to a particular English-speaking nation, the title of its article should use that nation's variety of English." We should use the name most common in Indian English-language sources. AusLondonder (talk) 17:20, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
- Speedy close. This has reached the point where we'll need a moratorium. O.N.R. (talk) 17:22, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
- You can't just speedy close because the proposal is getting support. AusLondonder (talk) 17:26, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: These "statistical searches" and "systematic analyses" that keep getting trouted out every RM are pretty much worthless. If Banglore is actually the common name, editors shouldn't have any trouble showing actual articles from prominent sources in India or Anglosphere countries that use Bangalore and not Bengaluru. Pretty much every single outlet that I can think of has Bengaluru: Financial Times, Bloomberg, Washington Post, and on and on. Instead of posting dubious numbers from aggregators with unknown data quality, can editors actually post articles demonstrating so from the supposed newspapers still using Bangalore more? regards, TryKid [dubious – discuss] 17:35, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose per recent mainstream media results which still use the older name.[1][2][3] Orientls (talk) 18:09, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
- The link for the Hindustan Times article itself says "bengaluru-news". Financial Express is using Bengaluru in the recent articles * https://www.financialexpress.com/sports/ind-vs-nz-3rd-test-day-3-new-zealand-defeat-india-by-25-runs-secure-3-0-series-clean-sweep/3655344/ Outlook Traveller is not a reliable source. Mantharatalk 18:16, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
- It seems Outlook Traveller is associated with the Outlook magazine, which pretty much always seems to use Bengaluru! They have it as the topic tag. All the links using Bangalore posted above have a listicle quality to them, and aren't serious long-form articles. TryKid [dubious – discuss] 18:30, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
- Outlook Traveller was not listed in WP:RSPSOURCES, hence thought it might be non reliable. Nevertheless, like general consensus it just shows Bengaluru is being used. Mantharatalk 18:44, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
- No, you're right. I didn't mean to imply Outlook Traveller is reliable; it at least doesn't seem to be at the first glance I gave it. It's a different brand using a different website, just being associated with the magazine doesn't make it reliable. I was pointing out that the "parent" magazine used Bengaluru, the Traveller article looks like AI generated low quality SEO stuff. regards, TryKid [dubious – discuss] 19:04, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
- Outlook Traveller was not listed in WP:RSPSOURCES, hence thought it might be non reliable. Nevertheless, like general consensus it just shows Bengaluru is being used. Mantharatalk 18:44, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
- It seems Outlook Traveller is associated with the Outlook magazine, which pretty much always seems to use Bengaluru! They have it as the topic tag. All the links using Bangalore posted above have a listicle quality to them, and aren't serious long-form articles. TryKid [dubious – discuss] 18:30, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
- The link for the Hindustan Times article itself says "bengaluru-news". Financial Express is using Bengaluru in the recent articles * https://www.financialexpress.com/sports/ind-vs-nz-3rd-test-day-3-new-zealand-defeat-india-by-25-runs-secure-3-0-series-clean-sweep/3655344/ Outlook Traveller is not a reliable source. Mantharatalk 18:16, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
- Support as per WP:NAMECHANGES, WP:TITLEVAR "Bangalore" and "Bengaluru" is same name, "Bengaluru" is just spelling correction, non Indian sources also started to use Indian English version of the name. The article Prayagraj also using new name from earlier "Allahabad" which is complete new name, unlike this "Bangalore" to "Bengaluru" spelling correction.RI talk 18:59, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
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