Michael.C.Wright

Hi! I may be a bit slow here so sorry to bother you again. What is the plan related to license upgrade? I think we need to know what needs to be done, when and by who. Can you help me out here? MGA73 (talk) 14:36, 11 November 2024 (UTC)Reply

Yes, I've been thinking about setting up a dedicated project page so we can track everything in a central location. We currently have conversations and lists scattered around and it makes it difficult to track.

We'll also need to request outside help with the admin work that needs to happen, as we don't have enough active admins here to get it done. We can't upgrade en.WN's license without an admin due to edit-protected pages.

I'll create the project page sometime this week and try to consolidate and organize all the info. —Michael.C.Wright (^Talk/_Published) 15:27, 11 November 2024 (UTC)Reply

Thank you! Sounds good. You are welcome to move my page or copy if you can use it. Perhaps we should just request a change at phab and when it is done we can ask global sysops at meta to change the relevant pages. Usually they respond within a few minutes. Once license is changed we can inform other languages and hopefully they will change too. --MGA73 (talk) 15:37, 11 November 2024 (UTC)Reply

what admin work do you need done? Gryllida (talk) 00:13, 12 November 2024 (UTC)Reply

@Gryllida: The request made here[1]. —Michael.C.Wright (^Talk/_Published) 14:04, 12 November 2024 (UTC)Reply

As I understand it some of the changes need to say something like that content is 4.0 except content from before <date> that is 2.5. It will be hard to make those changes unless we know which date the change will happen? --MGA73 (talk) 14:31, 12 November 2024 (UTC)Reply

I started a new section at Wikinews_talk:Copyright#To_do_per_November_2024. Feel free to update and/or move somewhere else. --MGA73 (talk) 15:10, 12 November 2024 (UTC)Reply

lost it, archived discussion means no further work needed? can you open new inquiries to admins at AAA before asking global sysops Thanks Gryllida (talk) 04:06, 14 November 2024 (UTC)Reply

If the archival you are asking about is the list originally at WN:Copyright, I archived that version yesterday. As the archive reason states, it has been moved to: Wikinews:2024 Copyright license upgrade#pages-table (the project page). The table is collapsed by default, you will need to click the "expand" link to see the full table. The work is still needed.

I have previously made the following requests for this work, to include at WN:AAA: [2], [3], [4], [5]

In addition to the above requests, I have also made edit-protected requests on several (but not all) of the talk pages where changes are needed: [6], [7], [8], [9], [10], [11], [12]. —Michael.C.Wright (^Talk/_Published) 14:31, 14 November 2024 (UTC)Reply

There is a "ignore groundless accusations" principle of journalists. May apply to that recent discussion with Ssr.

I am still awaiting your message on irc and staying on for a few hours to setup you with a quassel irc account.

You have a message in scoop with interview content. Did you rrceive it?

Are you using a linux OS on the device you are reading emails from?

Thanks. Gryllida (talk) 21:20, 18 November 2024 (UTC)Reply

Please also note I have an open request for interfaceadmin permissions. May be worth a vote as then I can start editing several wiki tools which are programmed in js in the mediawiki namespace and potentially a guided tour. Gryllida (talk) 21:23, 18 November 2024 (UTC)Reply

There is a "ignore groundless accusations" principle of journalists. May apply to that recent discussion with Ssr. I am genuinely curious what they see as the cause of the problem. I am also, as I said there, generally in agreement that en.WN is stale and abandoned and will remain so if we don't change something. So I don't see it as a groundless accusation.

I am still awaiting your message on irc and staying on for a few hours to setup you with a quassel irc account. I already have an IRC client and routinely connect and idle in #wikinews-en and #wikinews. I do not see IRC as a solution to any of the challenges we face here at en.WN at the moment.

For example, I sent you a direct message there three days ago about the email you sent to Scoop. Remember, I can't reply to old or send new emails from Scoop. I also responded on the article talk page about the interview with Nikolai. I'll need to verify the interview was indeed with Nikolai. Furthermore, if I expand the article with the interview myself, I'll no longer be 'uninvolved' and can no longer review it. I'm okay with that, it just means one of the other reviewers will have to review it and Heavy Water has already said it wasn't newsworthy from the beginning. So that will essentially leave RockerballAustralia to do the review.

So in the case of that article, we've used en.WN talk pages, Scoop, and IRC to try to coordinate the publishing of the article and we're still not successful. I don't think the solution is another app. —Michael.C.Wright (^Talk/_Published) 13:52, 19 November 2024 (UTC)Reply

Ssr's point is "Wikinews is dead and always will be". That comes without any attempt to solve the situation and with ignoring recent progress (or attempts at such).

I am seeing recent reviews with "that sentence is misworded or not attributed" comments from reviewer. Then the article dies. Yes, that is a problem. Pinging me on irc and asking me to fix it can solve this.

I couldn't reply to you three days ago on irc because your nick was offline. I would be happy to reply if I could. Could you not close your irc client? Timezones are a possible problem here, but really the main problem is motivation. If we wanted to chat on irc daily we would schedule a time. Gryllida (talk) 18:23, 19 November 2024 (UTC)Reply

I believe we want the same thing; articles more easily reviewed and more quickly and efficiently published.

I just don't see IRC as a viable solution to that problem. If you saw my message on IRC three days ago, then you knew three days ago that 1. I can't respond via Scoop (a problem you've been working on since I've had the Scoop account) 2. That there are more details on the appropriate talk page and 3. from that, what needed changed in order for me to review the article. Your being able to respond to me via IRC was not an impediment to you moving forward with the article. Besides, you and I seem to be the only two who use IRC to the extent that we do. How do you see IRC helping with new authors getting articles published when the articles aren't in compliance with our policies and guidelines (PaG) and they aren't already IRC users and frequent participants at #wikinews-en? Is it faster and more efficient to first coach them through IRC usage then coach them through en.WN PaG?

Besides, any conversation we have on IRC is disconnected from Wikinews and not kept as an historical record should an article get published. I think IRC should be used sparingly for real-time coordination when it's needed, not as an 'always on,' frequently-used method of communication for en.WN issues.

I share your sentiment regarding Ssr's complaint in that it so far lacks any attempt at identifying the source of the problem—which is why I asked them for their opinion. I also feel they are accurate in their evaluation of en.WN's lack of both relevancy and future prospects of improvement. You and I have spent more time futzing about IRC and Scoop than working to figure out if the review process itself is a problem that can be improved or otherwise fixed. The copyright license upgrade project has been going on for over a year and we still can't get edit-protected pages changed in a timely manner. We are struggling to keep the lights on. Ssr was largely correct. —Michael.C.Wright (^Talk/_Published) 18:44, 19 November 2024 (UTC)Reply

https://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Wikinews_talk:2024_Copyright_license_upgrade#Set_date_of_actual_upgrade_(a_poll)

what happened with wmf legal reply for it, did they reply or not

do you need sitenotice revised or did someone already do it.thanks Gryllida (talk) 04:07, 28 November 2024 (UTC)Reply

The latest is at the link you provided. I have not heard back from them. However, we can now demonstrate to Phabricator that we did our due diligence and reached out for feedback. Hopefully since several other Wikimedia projects have already upgraded to 4.0 it will be seen as straightforward and non-contentious. —Michael.C.Wright (^Talk/_Published) 14:26, 28 November 2024 (UTC)Reply

"We have organized the project here: Wikinews:2024 Copyright license upgrade. In addition to the mass deletion request above, we have a long-standing request for admin asstance listed here: Wikinews:2024_Copyright_license_upgrade#Pages_to_update_when_license_is_updated_from_2.5_to_4.0."

This is confusing.

1. organised project here 2. in addition to mass deletion request above [this is about sxw files or what was their name] 3. we have request for assistance in same page as link 1

Just sharing with you that it takes my time to understand what you mean. It would be simpler to write "The required admin actions are listed at Wikinews:2024_Copyright_license_upgrade#Pages_to_update_when_license_is_updated_from_2.5_to_4.0 (here); please also see the mass deletion request above".

Hope it helps. Maybe I missed something, if so, happy to learn of it.

Have a good day and thank you. Gryllida (talk) 18:18, 28 November 2024 (UTC)Reply

Do I use European English on articles pertaining to European topics? Thanks —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Lofi Gurl (talk • contribs)

That is typically determined by where the author is from, but authors can also do it on a per-article basis, as needed:

On Wikinews we generally follow either the spelling patterns of the subject of the article (British English for articles about the UK, American English for those about the US, etc), or those of the article's first author.

– WN:Style#Spelling

—Michael.C.Wright (^Talk/_Published) 14:37, 9 December 2024 (UTC)Reply

there are a couple articles i expanded and cannot review. please review something when you have a moment. Gryllida (talk) 18:55, 13 December 2024 (UTC)Reply

I'm nearly out of time today and I dedicated my time today to the license upgrade project. I won't likely have time to review articles until Sunday, at the earliest and that is questionable. —Michael.C.Wright (^Talk/_Published) 19:26, 13 December 2024 (UTC)Reply

thanks have a great weekend Gryllida (talk) 19:27, 13 December 2024 (UTC)Reply

do you use matrix or telegram or viber or sip or discord - could be used to connect with me for urgent queries thanks Gryllida (talk) 19:15, 13 December 2024 (UTC)Reply

I can use telegram or discord, yes. —Michael.C.Wright (^Talk/_Published) 19:23, 13 December 2024 (UTC)Reply

i am SvetaT23 at telegram, and grylli at discord, please connect when you can thanks Gryllida (talk) 19:24, 13 December 2024 (UTC)Reply